This (French language) podcast, created by Magnéto, was recorded at the 2018 Postmarginal retreat in Montreal Conservatoire. It presents the reflections of three participants: Lisa Ndejuru, Albert Kwan, and Anne-Catherine Lebeau.

In the recording, Lisa Ndejuru speaks about the nuances of her identity:

I am a researcher. I am an artist. I am also a psychotherapist. We don’t always walk around with the full weight of everything, all the time. Yes, I say I am never not Black. I’m never not Black. But what I mean is that I’m not always in a “Black” relationship with the people around me.

“I’m never not Black. But what I mean is that I’m not always in a ‘Black’ relationship with the people around me.”

Society and I don’t make “Black” mean the same things. I don’t want to be in a relationship where I have to articulate myself as “less than” in relation to something that is “more than.” Why do I have to do this? It’s not like that everywhere—on the contrary, I think that, fortunately, there are so many of us who want to try other things. And I think that when you want to try different things, it’s like a big fight in a way, and you have to have allies... It’s not done alone. You have to have allies, and then say, “Well, here we are together.” It’s union that creates strength, so that we don’t lose courage.